Hey m8 thanks for the offer but I'm not at the club for a while as we are having a new baby in the next few days I really like the idea of the furness and the Abom just can't afford both although the furness will give me a grey seer conversion model to so. I know you say one cannon ball and its dead but that's the same as the abom. I'm really not sure now as I know I need an Abom and the furness. I do think I'm gonna get the furness first then maybe if its not to cheeky to ask I can borrow an Abom when I come back to the club. Also need to find a way of getting there again as Chris soon won't be able to pick me up. Thanks for the advice.